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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic's own

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episode number 278

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for the 16th of february 2014. richard

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saunders here with you from a soggy

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soggy and humid sydney australia coming

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up on this week's show one of my

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favorite people to have a chat to

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yeah and

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spend some time with uh very rarely and

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occasionally

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professor richard wiseman from the uk

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we're going to be talking about his

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really interesting

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online videos at quirkology

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how to trick people how to win bets

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illusions magic tricks curiosities mind

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tricks

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such a fascinating area and richard

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wiseman does it so well he's also

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written lots of books he he speaks

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around the world and you can find out

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more about all these adventures and

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videos coming up on this week's episode

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of the skeptic zone

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not too far away and following dr

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richard wiseman it's a week in science

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for our good friends at the royal

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institution of australia at

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but before we get into that i've been uh

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sent a couple of announcements a couple

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of things to run by you

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you might be interested if you're in

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melbourne

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york on the 14th of april

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or if you're in the san francisco bay

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area around the 9th of june

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you might be interested in the applied

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rationality workshops these workshops

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have only just been brought to my

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attention they look pretty interesting i

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notice there's one in melbourne on

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february the 21st sold out already

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look for more information go to

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workshops there will be a link on the

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show notes for this episode of the

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skeptic zone

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might be worth checking out also thank

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you for those people from brazil

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who have been riding in after last

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week's episode where we interviewed rob

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who was visiting from brazil

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and thanks to nix who wrote to me

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to mention there are a few skeptical

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organizations in brazil well hardly a

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surprise

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and i'll be uh putting a link to those

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organizations

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on the website as well we've got flying

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teapot rationalist society green lantern

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brazil now that would be an interesting

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oh yeah oh yeah drifting down the amazon

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counting snakes or something like that

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that's where the world cup's going to be

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soon and the olympics hmm

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i wonder if i can wang myself a visit to

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oh and one quick uh

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thing before we get stuck into the show

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again from our friends at the royal

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institution of australia coming to

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australia the science of doctor who

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presented by rios in association with

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bbc worldwide australia and new zealand

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exploring the science behind the fiction

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live on stage tickets available now look

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it's going to be in perth in the 26th of

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13th 14th and 15th of june

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the science of doctor who oh i've got to

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go along with this one for more

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information for more information r-i-a-s

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doctor who oh i used to love doctor who

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in the 70s watching tom baker with these

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jelly babies i don't have any jelly

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is a nice big packet of licorice all

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sorts the next best thing i guess

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and these are thanks to my mum

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over the weekend i went down to uh my

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mum's 80th birthday party

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and she gave me a packet of licorice all

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happy birthday mum

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and why i'm enjoying this lovely

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licorice all sort i hope you enjoy the

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these plates contain the same amount of

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food but the portion looks much bigger

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on the smaller plate

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so replace larger plates with smaller

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don't reach for snacks using your

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dominant hand instead use your

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non-dominant hand and you'll end up

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short wide glasses look like they

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contain the same amount of liquid as a

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tall thin one but that's an illusion

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actually they hold far more to cut down

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then there's the power of mirrors in one

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experiment psychologist brad bushman hi

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there i'm brad bushman place both

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healthy and unhealthy food on a table

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and asked people to snack away when he

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placed a mirror behind the food they

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became more self-conscious and ate more

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healthily so try placing a mirror in

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your kitchen or on the refrigerator door

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you'll consume fewer calories each day

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if you chew gum when you feel hungry and

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eat less just slow down and perhaps put

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research shows that people eat fewer

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snacks when they're served on red plates

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perhaps because red is associated with

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stop either way when you have the choice

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go for red plates and bowls

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you eat more when you watch television

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and so simply turning off your tv at

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mealtimes means that you'll consume up

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to 50 percent less

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just taking a photograph of all of the

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unhealthy food that you eat will help

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you cut down on unhealthy eating by

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whenever we see lots of different

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varieties of food we're tempted to try

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some of each to eat less serve the same

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for more life-changing ideas visit our

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and joining me on the line now all the

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way from the

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the sunny shores of uh scotland one

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might say it's dr richard wiseman

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professor indeed hello hello nice nice

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to be here and uh yes indeed it for once

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it's uh it's sunny it's sunny and lovely

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uh here on the news in australia and i'm

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sure our friends around the world have

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uh seeing the horrible um storms and

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it's it's not good i think the folks

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down south are suffering a bit it must

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be a terrible thing to happen and um

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and uh it's a hard thing to cope with

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water coming into your house i'd imagine

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um so my my feelings my heart goes out

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just in this last week we've had

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devastating bushfires in this country

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huge mountain of snow and all snowed in

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and there's floods i wonder is this all

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signs richard what's happening

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i think it's signs from god that's how i

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see it um that we have done something

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bad um that's that's my test my

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scientific take on it i don't know i i

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don't know enough about climate change

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suspect it's a likely candidate um so

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yes let's let's get those climate

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deniers uh climate change deniers on the

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line and see what they think is going on

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yeah we tried to get them earlier but

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now richard i first met you

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seeing you were on stage we were very

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thin at the time and i think you

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said uh in your talk that you had

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you showed a clip which is a very famous

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clip now about you conducting some fire

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walking tests in the uk and i think in

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india that's some time ago now but that

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it is um it's one of my favorite clips

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and i i think you're right i think your

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memory is better than mine on that

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because i just been to india to look at

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sai baba and some of the other um sort

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of gurus out there with a icelandic

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back and did the um the fire walking for

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uh for the bbc um where we had some

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firewalkers who said it was all

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paranormal and that they could therefore

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walk further than scientists would

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advise them to uh and they gave it a go

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and they burnt their feet um fairly

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badly live on television so um yes it's

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think the clip the bbc science has had

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the most complaints for ever i think

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we still hold that record uh because you

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exciting times now that's quite

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interesting because it was um it was

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no nobody was burning these people that

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they did it to themselves

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yeah they were experienced firewalkers

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um they had only walked previously over

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sort of 10 or 15 feet of coals which

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because the the scientists say well

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you'll be safe on that because there's

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not much heat transferred from the coal

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to the the sole of their feet um but

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they believed they could walk much

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meditating and put this energetic force

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field around their body and that's what

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coals of 50 or 60 feet long um and they

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were very very convinced that they could

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do it and we said to them that this is

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really dangerous you don't have to do it

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you can back out any point and all of

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those sorts of things but they went for

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it they put their beliefs on the line

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and of course even afterwards after they

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burped themselves uh didn't change their

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beliefs you know this is in line with

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carried out where you know even when

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you're presented with that kind of

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disconfirming information uh still

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people cling on to their beliefs they're

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like possessions in that sense we'd like

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to have them around us um so yeah that

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suspect you're right but we're very

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pleased you did it way back then and

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with your kind

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years now when i've been giving talks

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around the world i'll often use that

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clip and i'm delighted that um

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it really really makes the point and the

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point i guess there are two points it

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makes one is to

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address fire walking and look at the

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physics of it but for me and i and i

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imagine for you too the the more

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interesting point is the psychology

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yeah absolutely just this notion that

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you know the beliefs you have um may be

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doing you some some harm now in that

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instance it's physical harm uh but

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actually i guess the psychologist i'm

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more interested in the psychological

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harm these things do uh people buy into

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the notion of psychics and mediums then

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you know you're handing control over

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your life to somebody who's often you

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know less qualified than you to um to

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run it so yeah i think it makes that

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that that point it's rather symbolic of

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this notion that these beliefs are not

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harmless

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absolutely right now i noticed that you

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are the uh professor of the public

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understanding of uh psychology at the

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university of hartfordshire which is

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quite a title

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and

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it occurred to me that it's it's an

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interesting thing to be

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uh to get a public understanding of

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psychology

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over

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uh how successful do you think you have

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been and uh it's an awkward question to

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ask you i'm sure but i from my point of

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view i mean given all that your online

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activities and we'll get to that soon

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you must be experienced a certain degree

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of satisfaction or success

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um you know these things are really hard

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to measure um if you try and measure

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whether you're affecting you know

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people's beliefs or how much they

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understand about psychology or whatever

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they're quite squishy things to try and

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put numbers to

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i think all you can do is is sort of

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point to the the sales of the books or

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the the sort of online uh work or the

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talks the number of people coming and

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kind of going well it's getting the word

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out there um and of course we hope then

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people become energized and because my

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favorite thing whether it's with the

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online work or with the books whatever

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is when you get the emails from um you

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know kids who are going oh my goodness

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because of you i became interested in

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psychology um and and those are the

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moments that you think and feel that

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you're making a real difference in in

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someone's life so yeah fingers crossed

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to me i've been doing it for 10 15 years

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now um hopefully it's affected at least

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one person somewhere in the world uh

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that that's that's my goal that was my

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goal 15 years ago was due to effect with

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just one person somewhere in the world i

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set the bar low in order to be

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enormously successful

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that's one way to look at it yeah and

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along the way i've i've been most

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impressed to uh to see over the years

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that you've been uh very uh diligent in

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the um writing department we've got lots

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of books coming out from you

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59 seconds the science experiments books

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paranormality quirkology of course and

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night school is that a newer one

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night school isn't out yet it's um it's

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published here at the end of march so as

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i look across my desk i see the

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manuscript sitting over the other side

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of the desk there

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um so yes yeah i've been um it takes

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about six months to um to write a book

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uh and

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i kind of just got into the habit i

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love it i enjoy the kind of

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the challenges of taking academic

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psychology and then having to

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kind of write about in a way that

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hopefully engages people who may not

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understand very much about how

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psychologists do what they do so often

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people's only contact with psychologists

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is when they have a problem you know

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they'll go and see a clinician or a

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educational psychologist or whatever and

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of course most psychologists aren't like

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that they're research based they're

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looking at uh whatever motivation or you

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know how you get people to give up

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smoking or whatever it is and so i guess

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my role is to take that material and and

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write about it hopefully in a way in

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which it's accessible to people so nice

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school is is all about the the science

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of sleep and dreaming um so yes that's

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what i'll be talking about i guess for

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the next sort of four or five months

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which i love the topic so i'm really

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looking forward to it sleep and dreaming

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what an interesting topic because not so

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long ago you released an app all about

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um trying to influence people's dreams

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you very good friend you've done your

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homework uh i did it's called dream on

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uh we've had uh half a million downloads

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of it um and yes it was an attempt to

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try and influence people's dreams by

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playing uh what we called soundscapes in

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while they were dreaming

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and in the morning they were prompted to

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report their dreams so here we have

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about 10 000 um dream reports and the

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book uh describes all of that work and

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gives the results which i'm not allowed

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to talk about until the end of march um

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but they're very exciting that's all i'm

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prepared to say don't push me on it

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they're very exciting so what are the

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results richard

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don't push me on it i asked you not to

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push me on it

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it's quite interesting

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the whole thing was a complete disaster

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no no no um don't push me on it that's

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all i ask uh i will at the end of march

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i'll tell you i'll email you all right

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personally i'll shout it through your

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letterbox thank you thank you i i can't

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wait i can't wait because

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it's an interesting thing because

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personally um i often fall asleep with a

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pair of earbuds in just to help myself

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drift off listening to this that or the

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other and occasionally i'll in the wee

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small hours uh if it's still on whatever

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i'm listening to especially if it's the

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radio suddenly the people talking in

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uh on the radio will be characters in my

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dream so i can understand how that might

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happen

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oh yeah i mean this this notion of

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what's called dream intrusion um is very

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well established and has been

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very well documented since the 60s um

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and and some people have it more than

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others and certain stimuli rather than

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others and so on but around about 50 to

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people if you put into a sleep lab and

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then

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play in something uh it will influence

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their their dream so it's a fascinating

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set of uh studies and then one of the

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questions that i have is what can you do

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with that isn't you know we don't just

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dream for the fun of it our dreams have

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function they do something in our life

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and if you can influence people's dreams

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have you got a chance then influencing

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their waking state and mood

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so it's a fascinating area i mean the

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fact that we obviously spend about a

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third of our lives um asleep and up

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until the 1950s knew nothing about that

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area you know you put people on the moon

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and you dive deep under the seas but we

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had a third of our life uh which was a

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complete unknown to us and and so since

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then there's been this explosion of

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research and the book kind of guides

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people through that excellent one to

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really look out for and in fact i'll

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certainly look forward to seeing that

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myself

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uh and just talking about the apps and

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and doing things

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online in that respect a couple of years

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ago i was very

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tough to download an app that you

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created or had a hand in which was um

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a great fun and i got enormous mileage

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out of it especially with my young

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nieces and nephews

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is uh it was uh mimicking a psychic act

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and i'm just trying to remember the name

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of the app now yes funnily enough so am

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i uh it was uh

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it's telepathic is it telepath yeah

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telepathical

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it was something like that wasn't it

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yeah it's so long ago that i'm

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struggling to remember as well i think

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he might be telepath um and oh it was

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good always clever um and my idea so

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those three things often uh go together

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at least in my mind um but yes

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unfortunately i don't think it's around

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people to download anymore i think

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there's been various sort of uh upgrades

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on the app system and we haven't kept

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pace with that um and then that's one of

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the reasons why i'm saying it's it's

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very good because um people can't

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download it and find out that i'm lying

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um i'm glad you managed to deceive your

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your nephews and nieces with it oh it

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was it was great fun for those people

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who may not have

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may not be familiar with it uh it

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presented the uh

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your audience or your

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victim for lack of a better word with

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some numbers and pictures and

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you asked them to choose one secretly in

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their in their mind

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and then the app would magically

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uh pick the right one and it would uh

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really befuddle them and it was very

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clever richard

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it it it was it was clever i do say so

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myself and um it's good that your

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nephews and nieces will no longer trust

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you um because of it so um it's to me

518
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that's like job done

519
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that's great well there you go well that

520
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leads us on to

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probably uh

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what a lot of people know you for are

523
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the marvelous online videos um on

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quirkology and i think you have even

525
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more more than one youtube channel i

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think 59 seconds is another one

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if i'm not mistaken but yeah that's

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right there's two of them there's

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quarkology which was the original one we

530
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started um quite a long time ago now i

531
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think 2007 and then very recently i

532
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started in 59 seconds which is a has a

533
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slightly different feel to it it's a

534
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little bit more in depth about some of

535
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the material and a bit more

536
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psychology-ish um quarkology tends to be

537
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just about you know illusions and bets

538
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and magic tricks where in 59 seconds is

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a bit more about some serious psychology

540
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the

541
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unless i'm mistaken is you had a

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color changing card trick which has

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become very famous and i think it's got

544
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some ridiculous amount of views six

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million downloads by now

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where basically it was uh showing people

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how their observation skills can be

548
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completely um uh filled with and toyed

549
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with

550
00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:16,480
and that really took off and it's and

551
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:18,880
it's a it's a wonderful clip

552
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,240
yeah it it's all very curious because um

553
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,480
i think that long i was trying to piece

554
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:26,080
this together recently and there's a

555
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:27,679
magician a very good musician called

556
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:30,960
marco tempest and marco had done similar

557
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:32,480
sorts of things not to do with what's

558
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:34,080
called change blindness which is is what

559
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:35,840
the color church card trick is about but

560
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:37,280
the idea of doing these rather sort of

561
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,320
curious um almost magic tricky videos

562
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,480
and i think i'd seen that and i thought

563
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:44,640
about doing a one based on a card trick

564
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:46,960
and with the change blindness and so on

565
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,799
and i planned it in my head for probably

566
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:50,559
a month or so and then we just had a

567
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:53,039
spare afternoon in the lab and we just

568
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:54,720
went out and got some cloth that we

569
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:56,799
needed to to film the trick and we spent

570
00:22:01,990 --> 00:21:59,840
about 50 pounds on it came back and we

571
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,000
did about 30 or 40 takes because it was

572
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,000
quite tricky to to do

573
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:06,480
uploaded it and that night and and just

574
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:08,400
went to bed and then the morning even

575
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:09,679
then it was up to about sort of a

576
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:12,080
quarter million views overnight and it

577
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:14,559
was like wow how did that happen and

578
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:17,039
then it's just climbed up since then so

579
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:19,280
we we just kind of you know got a hole

580
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:21,840
in one of the very first um time we did

581
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:23,200
it and then the channels built from

582
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:24,559
there so

583
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:25,919
yeah one of the things i always say to

584
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:27,679
people is always just try things on on

585
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:29,600
youtube because you know it's democracy

586
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:30,880
out there you just do not know where

587
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:32,880
these things will lead so um always

588
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:36,080
worth giving it a go uh yeah it is and i

589
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:37,679
noticed that that one has been

590
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:40,799
translated into spanish and which i was

591
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,760
just watching a little while ago must be

592
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:45,520
funny to see yourself speaking spanish

593
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,400
then

594
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:48,720
it is and japanese i think there's

595
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:51,280
japanese subtitles um the clips are very

596
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:53,360
large in japan they're used on japanese

597
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:56,320
television quite a lot um so yeah it's

598
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,559
great that something that we film just

599
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:00,720
for fun the lab you know ends up um

600
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:02,880
being shown all around the world so um

601
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,520
yeah fun times and you're very

602
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,520
uh very

603
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:09,600
prolific i guess the the word is with

604
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,320
these videos uh it seems to me that

605
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,159
you've got a uh

606
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:16,320
you must have a routine of getting out a

607
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,080
certain amount of videos under at a

608
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:20,640
certain time but they're so interesting

609
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:22,799
each one of them i love the series the

610
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:25,679
10 bits you will always win how on earth

611
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,679
do you keep coming up with these tricks

612
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,679
and these they're like um

613
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:31,360
what can we say they're like the sort of

614
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:34,080
bets you might have

615
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:35,600
having a round of drinks in a pub you

616
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:38,159
say i bet i can do this backwards or

617
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:39,679
something like that that's right yeah

618
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,559
and they're all little barbettes um and

619
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,159
i mean the answer is in terms of coming

620
00:23:49,270 --> 00:23:46,559
up with them is that a people send them

621
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:49,280
to me which is lovely um but b of course

622
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:51,039
magicians know about these things and

623
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:52,400
there are books on them going right the

624
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,840
way back to what's called rational

625
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:55,760
recreations which is sort of a victorian

626
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:58,080
term for for all these little sciency

627
00:24:01,270 --> 00:23:59,600
stunts because lots of them are quite

628
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,280
sciencey you know to do with flicking

629
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:03,200
away cards or blowing in a certain way

630
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:04,640
or whatever

631
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:06,799
and you just sort of troll through them

632
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,880
and so with those videos it's not really

633
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,559
that the filming or the editing or the

634
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:12,559
voice over that takes the time it's just

635
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:14,480
finding the material and and that can

636
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:17,120
take a month to um to find you know ten

637
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,360
really good ones that you think work um

638
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:21,120
i think we've done ten of those now so

639
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:23,440
that's a hundred bets and

640
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:26,400
it's it has a huge amount um but you

641
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:27,919
know people keep on watching them i

642
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,600
think the most successful ones got about

643
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:31,200
six maybe eight million views i can't

644
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:34,320
remember now um and it's so it's great

645
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,760
you know because all of them are again

646
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:37,760
they're kind of back door into into

647
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,240
science um you know it's often when you

648
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:42,480
do those things uh the in fact actually

649
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:44,080
on the latest one is one of my favorite

650
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:46,000
ones where you put the salt onto the

651
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:47,600
plate and then sprinkle the pepper on

652
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:49,440
and you challenge somebody to separate

653
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:50,880
the pepper from the soul and it sounds

654
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:52,799
impossible but if you take a balloon and

655
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:54,880
rub it on your sweater or jumper hold it

656
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:57,200
above the the plate all the pepper comes

657
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:58,960
up the salt doesn't

658
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,480
and it's a lovely moment because as the

659
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:02,320
pepper hits the balloon it at the

660
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:03,840
amplifies and so you get this lovely

661
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:04,960
sort of

662
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:06,559
sound you know it's it's really quite

663
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,960
magical and i think for any kid in

664
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,039
particular doing that you've just got to

665
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:13,200
ask yourself well why is that happening

666
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:14,960
you know what what is going on there

667
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,440
it's very difficult to do that stunt and

668
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,440
not be a little bit curious so so

669
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:21,600
hopefully um it engages people with uh

670
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:23,919
with science i'm a big fan of people

671
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:25,679
doing rather than just reading about

672
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:27,520
this stuff and i think that's the power

673
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:29,840
of the bets videos and i think it's the

674
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:31,600
power of um

675
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:32,880
the video

676
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:33,760
uh

677
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,559
indeed because yeah it's fine to read

678
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:38,320
about these things and that and that's a

679
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:40,720
wonderful thing but to see it in action

680
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:43,760
uh for me in particular always i i think

681
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:45,919
it always adds that little bit more and

682
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:47,440
i think you do it in a very entertaining

683
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:48,880
way with that corny music in the

684
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:52,080
background on each of your videos

685
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:54,240
yeah it's it's and also they are edited

686
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:56,080
quite cleverly um in the sense that

687
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:57,760
they're edited within a second of their

688
00:26:02,390 --> 00:25:59,919
life you know if we can literally cut

689
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:02,400
off a second we will do it in order to

690
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:05,120
keep the pace um as high as possible and

691
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:06,480
because they are filmed you can tell

692
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:07,679
they're not professionally filmed they

693
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:09,440
are all just filmed in my living room

694
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,120
and i think there's something about that

695
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:13,520
which is quite kind of literally homely

696
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:14,480
it just sort of feels like you're

697
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:16,880
sitting in on this strange guy who knows

698
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,880
a whole lot of weird stuff and if you

699
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,400
give me three minutes i'll tell you ten

700
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:22,000
things one of them might be great you're

701
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:23,600
doing the bar tonight you might make

702
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:26,480
some money yeah it's a really easy sell

703
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:30,000
um and and you know it is really weird

704
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:31,520
to walk down the street is occasionally

705
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:33,440
done and kids have kind of come up and

706
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:34,799
said oh you're the guy from the bets

707
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:37,039
video oh really

708
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:38,640
really um

709
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:39,919
because you forget that people are

710
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,159
watching these things but um i'm i'm

711
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:44,640
glad that people enjoy it it's it's it's

712
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:46,640
sort of a passion because yeah the whole

713
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,799
thing is mine you know in the sense of i

714
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,880
i kind of have a vision for the whole

715
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:52,960
piece and and then it's just nice if

716
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:55,200
people enjoy that you know the bad old

717
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,720
days of television you go in and say

718
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:58,720
this is my idea and six months later a

719
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:00,960
program would emerge if you were lucky

720
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:02,559
uh that bought no relationship to what

721
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:03,919
you had in your head when you walked

722
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:06,320
into the room so yeah it's nice to do

723
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,240
something where you're completely in

724
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:10,320
charge and you go yeah you know it

725
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:12,080
doesn't feel like it's made by a

726
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:13,600
committee it feels like it's just one

727
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:15,600
person going that's my vision don't know

728
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:17,200
whether you like it or not but here it

729
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:19,039
is um so that's that's really the

730
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:21,679
approach it's it's liberating yes i

731
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:23,039
think you're absolutely right the other

732
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:24,720
videos i really enjoy

733
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:27,679
apart from the uh the bets you can win

734
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:30,320
uh the series you have

735
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,600
where

736
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:33,279
for all intents and purposes it looks

737
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:35,279
like a magic trick you have something

738
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:38,080
like a car a little toy car appearing

739
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,120
out of

740
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:41,760
an impossible situation it cannot be

741
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,760
there and suddenly suddenly it is there

742
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:45,679
and there it's not like it's an editing

743
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,880
trick it's not like you've stopped the

744
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,480
movie and then

745
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:50,480
fiddled with it and then

746
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:52,960
just when you're completely baffled or

747
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:56,240
you produce a huge uh ball from from

748
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:57,760
seemingly nowhere

749
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:00,320
keep watching the video and then

750
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:03,200
all is revealed and it's one of those

751
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:05,039
very interesting moments but i guess

752
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:06,880
that harkens back to the color changing

753
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:08,559
trick because you can watch that stop it

754
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:10,000
halfway through and go away and think

755
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:11,520
about it forever

756
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:14,240
or you can continue watching

757
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:16,720
and yeah and most people do and

758
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,880
hopefully they're devised so that um

759
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:20,240
first of all they don't make magicians

760
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:22,000
angry magicians tend to really like them

761
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:23,279
there's nothing being given away there

762
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:26,000
that would uh impact on magic but second

763
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:28,240
the the method how it's done hopefully

764
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:30,880
is more entertaining than the the effect

765
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:32,960
and often you think oh my goodness it

766
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:36,480
was so simple i just made one assumption

767
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:39,279
and that tripped me up um so they are

768
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:43,360
fun they are a nightmare to make um yeah

769
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:45,679
because yeah i mean often the timing is

770
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:49,120
a split second so on the the car one uh

771
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,320
i have just got tapes after tape of um

772
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,559
me not doing it as it were and not being

773
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,080
able to form the trick because it's

774
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,399
literally millimeters um as to whether

775
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:00,559
or not you see the car first time round

776
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:03,840
so um and yeah so basically what happens

777
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:05,120
is that i normally put something on

778
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:06,720
television after one of these box sets

779
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:09,039
hbo things that i'm watching and i'm

780
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:11,360
actually doing the trick whilst watching

781
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:13,919
the hbo thing because i'm going to do

782
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,320
the trick so many times that i might

783
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:18,159
have muscled something on so one of the

784
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,840
reasons why they've often not got

785
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:21,760
soundtrack is that you'd be hearing an

786
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,480
hbo series in the uh the background

787
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,559
so i think with the ball one um which

788
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:28,320
caroline and i did carolina partners

789
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:30,960
that the ninja uh on that really was

790
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,840
really yeah yeah i wondered yes

791
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:35,760
she's a very good ninja she's regular

792
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:38,480
creeping around there um uh i think we

793
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:41,279
did it like 50 or 60 times

794
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,080
about 30 times 30 so it takes in i could

795
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,559
feel mr goodwill leaving the room uh

796
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:48,720
from from caroline's perspective

797
00:29:53,909 --> 00:29:51,679
uh and and eventually we got it uh so

798
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:53,919
what's funny is you guys only see the

799
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:55,760
one thing that works and they oh yeah

800
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:57,440
that's fun and you don't haven't seen

801
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,320
the the sheer misery uh behind that but

802
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,240
it's um no they're they're my favorite

803
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:04,640
actually i i do love them no but credit

804
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:07,120
to you you do include uh often you do

805
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:08,960
include a couple of times where it goes

806
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,240
wrong just to

807
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:12,240
make the point these things

808
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,919
are not easy

809
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,840
no and they're not easy for professional

810
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:17,520
television either because often they've

811
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:18,320
been

812
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:20,159
reconstructed on television and one

813
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:22,080
thing is that because i'm using

814
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:23,279
obviously not using a professional

815
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:24,480
camera

816
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,159
focus now when you put a professional

817
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,240
camera in often you can't perform them

818
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:32,640
because the the focusing is wrong uh on

819
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:34,799
it and also they're not prepared to sit

820
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:37,039
there all day as you do take after take

821
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um so often we've had crews have come in

822
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,760
and wanted to recreate them yeah fine

823
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,919
use the room here's the props and after

824
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:45,120
about an hour or so you hear the

825
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swearing start to come out of the room

826
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,799
as they realize what it is they're up

827
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:50,399
against and they go come on i can't

828
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:52,399
believe you you know i said yeah yeah it

829
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:55,440
took us four hours to get that one um so

830
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:56,559
it's

831
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,320
be a wonderful thing then to review the

832
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:02,640
latest take and see you've got it

833
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:05,200
oh that's a moment yeah yes when you all

834
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:06,799
sit around and go ah thank goodness

835
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,799
we've got one and that's what i had in

836
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,799
mind look it looks great look the car

837
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:12,159
looks like it's you know it's impossible

838
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:14,000
yeah that's what i had in mind because

839
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:16,000
until you've got that moment you don't

840
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:17,360
know that it's impossible you know if

841
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:19,120
you you just think i think it's gonna

842
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:20,960
work right um

843
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:23,200
and and so you never know until you see

844
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:24,960
that magic take and then you go that's

845
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:26,480
what i had in mind

846
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:27,919
um and then of course you have to show

847
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:29,600
it to other people and sometimes they

848
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:30,960
just don't work and people go it's

849
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:33,039
obvious it's it's whatever and then

850
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,799
you're back to the drawing board um but

851
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,799
our success rate is pretty good we've

852
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:38,399
probably only dropped one or two over

853
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,519
the years

854
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:41,279
just because they're too weak well with

855
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:44,480
the the uh the ball one which uh

856
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:46,080
includes the ninja in some respects

857
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,519
which you mentioned in the and the

858
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:49,919
appearing car the

859
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:52,000
when i viewed those both for the first

860
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:55,279
time i was baffled i could not see how

861
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:57,120
and where and how could that possibly

862
00:32:01,590 --> 00:32:00,000
work so uh it worked in that respect

863
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:01,600
good good good yeah magicians have done

864
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,360
the same thing i had a heated phone call

865
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:05,039
from somebody who was swearing at me

866
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:06,960
down the phone about the car because

867
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:08,960
they've been in magic for like 20 years

868
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:10,559
and because it's not principal magicians

869
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:12,399
use in the in the form i was using it

870
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:14,080
and they were going i just couldn't

871
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:16,240
believe you fooled me

872
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,760
so you know there's a sense of delight

873
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,320
and anger in their voice so um no it's

874
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:22,320
it's great because it's so easy you know

875
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:23,919
they sit online people can watch them

876
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:26,480
anywhere in the world anytime at all um

877
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:28,640
so i just think oh lovely that right now

878
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,840
somewhere in the world somebody will be

879
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:31,200
watching one of those videos and

880
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:33,279
giggling there was the same way that you

881
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,720
giggled and i giggled the first time we

882
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,880
saw it so it just feels like a a lovely

883
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,640
way of getting this stuff out there it

884
00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:40,320
absolutely is now if people aren't

885
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:41,919
familiar with the videos and the books

886
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:44,559
and all the rest of it uh it's very easy

887
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:47,200
folks just google richard wiseman or you

888
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:48,080
could go to

889
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:54,789
all the links are there including for

890
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:57,120
people i guess especially in the uk if

891
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,640
they want to engage you as a public

892
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:00,480
speaker and i've had the pleasure of

893
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:02,640
seeing you speak in public well

894
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,440
since 2000 uh when i think about it and

895
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:07,200
um i guess

896
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:10,640
the last time we caught up would was the

897
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:12,559
year before last in edinburgh and then

898
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,240
at the wonderful qed convention yes

899
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:18,559
that's right i'm back at qed this year

900
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:20,960
actually in a few few months time so yes

901
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,640
that's right that's where we um i can

902
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:25,120
remember we we chatted and we laughed we

903
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:26,720
did we had a lovely stroll along the

904
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:28,240
river there in edinburgh and we just

905
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:30,799
sort of had no agenda as we walked along

906
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:33,919
we made observations and it was a it was

907
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:35,600
an interesting interview but uh one of

908
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:37,200
my favorites i think

909
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:38,880
uh yeah sometimes these things you know

910
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:41,600
they they work just feel very natural um

911
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:43,840
and uh and also it's just nice i think

912
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:45,840
to to sort of chat about these things

913
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:48,159
and and see what kind of percolates uh

914
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:49,919
out and what i was going to say to the

915
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:50,960
thought that occurred to me then was

916
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,360
that i think you know sometimes people

917
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:55,200
are very worried about skepticism and

918
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:57,039
the future of it but i honestly think

919
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,200
that the future is very bright when you

920
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:01,440
look at youtube you know this the

921
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:04,320
science content is astounding

922
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,640
you know for years i've sat in um

923
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:08,560
the bbc and other offices and the

924
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:10,240
commissioning editors told me that we

925
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:11,919
don't need talking head scientists it's

926
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:14,079
all too dull and no one's watching it

927
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:16,800
and then someone like vsauce um just put

928
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:19,040
out the most amazing science content

929
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:21,200
essentially talking head stuff 12 minute

930
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,320
items or so um amazing number of views

931
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,560
so the science stuff is there skepticism

932
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:28,320
the magic stuff is there you know

933
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,399
finally we can talk directly to our

934
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,879
audience and i think skeptics and

935
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:34,800
magicians and scientists are doing a

936
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,399
wonderful job with it

937
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:38,639
i think you're absolutely right and it's

938
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:41,119
it's great to see uh of course it means

939
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,560
on the flip side

940
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:44,399
those people with

941
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:46,320
maybe we can say beliefs that we don't

942
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:48,320
quite understand or necessarily agree

943
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:50,079
with the doing the same thing but hey

944
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:51,760
we're all in this together

945
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:54,000
at least there's a resource like

946
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:55,679
your videos and your online things in

947
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,359
your books which are very important for

948
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:59,359
people to run to professor richard

949
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,680
wiseman how i wish that i had the time

950
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:03,520
to have another stroll with you through

951
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:05,920
edinburgh a city i love ideally love

952
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:08,000
come back come back i shall come back

953
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:09,119
and see us

954
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:10,800
at my earliest convenience and ride the

955
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:13,040
trams i look forward to that it's

956
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:14,880
apparently they're a month away um but

957
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,800
yes all your listeners come back come

958
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:18,720
here and uh come around for tea and

959
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:21,920
cakes and um where a fun will be had by

960
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:24,000
all you heard it here guarantee that you

961
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:25,680
heard it here first folks you can visit

962
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:28,160
richard weissman and no doubt appear in

963
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,550
richard wiseman thank you very much

964
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,320
a pleasure thank you

965
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:38,400
so you're thinking what's quirkology all

966
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:39,359
about

967
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:41,680
well there are surefire bets you can use

968
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to impress your

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friends incredible illusions that will

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blow your mind

971
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:48,640
interactive experiments to bamboozle

972
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:49,680
your brain

973
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:51,920
magic tricks and we don't just perform

974
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:53,920
the tricks we take you backstage so you

975
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:56,400
can see the secret and lots of amazing

976
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:59,200
science stunts that always work

977
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,880
yeah kinda

978
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982
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985
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986
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welcome to a week in science from rios

987
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988
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know valentine's day possibly the most

989
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romantic day of the year

990
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,560
if you're still searching for your

991
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special someone you may have considered

992
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going online but how do those sites

993
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,270
one dating site found led us into the

994
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:15,680
secret which uses simple math equations

995
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:17,920
to determine compatibility

996
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:19,520
when you join you answer a bunch of

997
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:21,760
questions about yourself and also about

998
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:24,000
what you look for in other people

999
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:26,800
and no pressure but each answer you give

1000
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:29,280
is worth points if you mark a particular

1001
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:31,760
criteria as mandatory like being a dog

1002
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,160
person for instance the answer to that

1003
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,400
criteria will be worth lots of points

1004
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:38,480
but if you mark a criteria as not

1005
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:41,280
important the answer is worth less

1006
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:43,040
each potential partner answering

1007
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:44,880
questions gets a score based on the

1008
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:46,800
criteria you set

1009
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:48,800
their score and the score you get for

1010
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:50,480
their criteria are put into a

1011
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:52,480
mathematical equation which gives what's

1012
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:55,680
called a match score

1013
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:58,000
here's an example i'm a non-smoker which

1014
00:38:01,990 --> 00:37:59,839
is mandatory criteria for my future

1015
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:02,000
partner and i also like clubbing but

1016
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:04,320
that's not that's important i'm a

1017
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,240
non-smoker but it's not that important

1018
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:08,640
for me i do like seeing live bands and

1019
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:10,960
that's important for my match

1020
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:13,280
based on my criteria tanya gets lots of

1021
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:15,839
points for not smoking and only loses

1022
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:17,359
one point because she doesn't like

1023
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:20,000
clubbing and for me ben only gets some

1024
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,760
points for being a non-smoker because i

1025
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:24,000
don't really care but loses lots of

1026
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:25,680
points because he doesn't like live

1027
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:28,160
bands we answered some more questions

1028
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:31,520
pop them into the equation and why hello

1029
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,280
94

1030
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:35,440
and now four science pickup lines that

1031
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:41,750
are you a 90 degree angle because you're

1032
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:44,079
all right do you have 11 protons because

1033
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,040
you're sodium fine we fit together like

1034
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:49,680
the sticky ends of recombinant dna if i

1035
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:52,240
were an enzyme i'd be dna helicase so i

1036
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,040
could unzip your genes

1037
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,359
that's it for this week in science for

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1049
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00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:50,000
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1061
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1062
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1068
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:24,400
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1069
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:26,240
at the russell here at beautiful

1070
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:47,190
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1071
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,640
zone this week

1072
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,640
a slightly shorter episode but i hope

1073
00:40:54,310 --> 00:40:53,200
you uh enjoyed it nevertheless richard

1074
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:54,320
wiseman

1075
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:56,160
what an interesting man

1076
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:58,319
coming up on the skeptic zone i think

1077
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:59,920
next week

1078
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,680
an interview with

1079
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:03,599
neil degrasse tyson

1080
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:05,359
and ander in

1081
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:07,359
to talk about the new

1082
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:10,079
series of cosmos

1083
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:11,760
wow

1084
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,440
my uh

1085
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,760
facebook profile saying something very

1086
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:19,440
exciting is coming up

1087
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:20,960
and that's it folks

1088
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:22,720
uh i'm

1089
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:24,560
i'm beside myself i really am i feel

1090
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:26,720
like i'm 15 years old again

1091
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:27,760
so

1092
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:28,880
i'm going to be chatting with neil

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degrasse tyson and anderin all about the

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new cosmos and i hope to bring you that

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uh or those interviews

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on the very next episode of the skeptic

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zone

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wow

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in the meantime

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sneak over to youtube and type in cosmos

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and carl sagan and

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relive some fine memories

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um

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well i better get ready for that i have

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some research to do

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some

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press releases and whatnot

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so until next week this is richard

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saunders

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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zone